'HATE' IN LUKE 14:26
composed September 2004, edited and expanded April 2, 2006)
KJV) If any
man come to me, and
not his father, and mother,
and wife, and children, and brethren, and
sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
mentioned in chapter 11 of THE GREAT DREAM, the word for "hate" here is
MISEO in the Greek. This word occurs 41 times in the NT, and in every
other occurrence of this word, it is obvious that "hate" is the proper
word to use in that place. I invite (challenge) everyone who has a
Bible program on their computer that allows you to trace Greek words to
LOOK UP every single use of the this word MISEO in the Greek of their
New Testament, and try to invent some sort of "love less" definition
for this word in those places and read it aloud. You will (must) see,
as I did, that any attempt in the other 40 places where MISEO is used,
to render it as anything but "HATE" will
look AND BE ridiculous! ALSO (just in case anyone
wonders), there is no a singe alternate reading of this verse in any
ancient manuscript. ANY ancient quotation of Luke 14:26 in Greek reads
EXACTLY as it does in our KJV. THERE IS JUST NO AVOIDING, GETTING
AROUND OR EXPLAINING AWAY the PURPOSEFUL
use of the word HATE in Luke 14:26. TRUE SCHOLARSHIP NEVER
also insist that the word has a range of meaning, from "moderate
distaste or dislike" to "reject violently".
In any case, it does mean to "reject - push away - refuse" no
matter how it is defined.
Now, the problem is (supposedly): HOW we can do THAT
family without sin?
(and I answer) - HOW will you avoid obedience to
14:26 without sin?
SO THEN the QUESTION WAS - how to define and describe the "hating"
that we are commanded to in Luke 14:26.
THEN AGAIN, we would be faced with this problem over
says Jesus said whether I
existed to bring it up, or not.
verse and that word are not a problem for me, for I
have been reconciled to Luke 14:26 for a long time, and neither am I
tempted to mitigate
the word "hate" in this place in order to keep "mankind's approval".
I think that I understand Luke 14:26
"practically" - that I understand it in it's PROPER application - and
this is how I
..................Your immediate flesh and blood family
are God's main competitors
for your loyalty. BECAUSE we all still "come short
of the GLORY of
God" and because many in our carnal (same as natural) family members
are NOT (really) SAVED ANYWAY, these are the people that are most
pressure you to compromise your faith. They are also the
are most likely to conspire to sin with you rather than to expose or
They are most likely to endure those faults which say bad things about
you spiritually as long as you "do your carnal duties"
These are the people who are MOST LIKELY to account you as "saved" even
though if you were a stranger who "acted like that" they would doubt
the validity of your religion. IN FACT, some
members of your carnal
family are so
OBVIOUSLY "unspiritual" and otherwise unpleasant, that if
"stuck with them" you WOULD avoid them
Therefore, because the parents, the wife and the kids are the
primary challenge to ME LIVING A CONSISTENTLY FAITHFUL LIFE, I
with an automatic sense of guardedness in the consideration of my
Only my wife could possibly set me up to lie and
me cooperate with it (SEE article titled "ADAM AND EVE AND
ALSO - I do NOT believe that Luke 14:26 means that we must freshly
our "hatred" for our carnal family moment by moment - just that we only
"begin" our post-conversion relationship with them psychologically, and
we should re-begin our every involvement with them (emotionally) by
back" - and then only readmitting them after they
to our faith. Jesus said, "If
any man COME unto Me and
not.....". This is in reference to your
coming....coming to Him for salvation/conversion. IF UPON
to approach God through the Name of Christ for salvation; if you have
not at the same time agreed to reject everything about your family (and
everything and everyone else) that
possibly could conflict with your duties of loyalty to Christ and His
Bible.... well, you were not really converted. I learned and
understood why Luke 14:26 had to be worded the way it was
early on - when I
was newly converted. I had neither wife nor children (at the
when I was converted,
and every other
member of my carnal family repudiated my faith. I always wanted
approve of me (especially my parents), but because they never
approved, and because they were always testing and tempting me to
compromise something, I grew to "hate them
I realized my duty toward these carnal family members and
fulfill it, but they were no
longer my "automatic friends". Outside of what
strictly defines my
Divinely assigned duties to my carnal family, they are just like any
stranger to me. No one gets admittance to Dean's
friendship and affections" unless they approach me in the Name of and
PLEASE READ THE BELOW
SCRIPTURES OUT LOUD TO YOURSELF?
(Mat 12:46 -50 KJV)
While he yet talked to the people, behold, his
mother and his
brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy
without, desiring to speak with thee.
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who
who are my brethren?
And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold
my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the
will of my Father which is in
the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
I am totally sure that Jesus's mother and brothers
were not "criminals". They were not drunkards or open thieves
fornicators - I am totally sure of that:
but they were just
"devoted" to the right things in the way that Jesus required that His
friends (and family)
be devoted, so they were EXCLUDED. This
IS the perfect
example of how
we must and CAN legitimately HATE our carnal family - through
words like these. I am also SURE that
Jesus's family could have
the treatment they were receiving as "hateful"....and maybe they did,
THAT our carnal family will always and automatically be the main
competition WITH GOD for our loyalty is implied by Paul with these
(1 Cor 7:33 KJV) But he that is married careth for
the things that
are of the world, how he may please his wife.
I have been married for 27
years......so I know what you
married folks do with each other, and how you do it (again,
article titled, 'ADAM AND EVE AND YOU').
14:26 is Christ's anticipation that we would be most
to unfairly justify and excuse the people in our carnal
not only because we normally have a natural "family love" (STORGIA -
Grk) for these people (especially our children), but because we are very
dependant upon these family members for our own welfare and
can "afford" to lose the affections of a stranger because then,
his affections are ALL you lose. IF however, you manage to
sufficiently offend that wife or child or parent, that wife or child or
parent has the power to make your life miserable on a daily basis for
long time to come.
10:35 KJV) For I am come to set a man at variance
father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law
against her mother in law.
(Mat 10:36 KJV) And a man's foes shall be they of
(Mat 10:37 KJV) He that loveth father or mother
more than me is
not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is
not worthy of me.
I have never figured out why these particular
members were mentioned, and I doubt that
it means that
never be "variance" (for religion's sake) between the son-in-law and
the father-in-law: but here Jesus predicts - as if
UNAVOIDABLE conflicts and even separations over
natural family. Notice that Jesus says, And
a man's foes shall
they of his own household. He makes this
a "for sure", so that
it would be the UNUSUAL EXCEPTION if a Christian's main personal
adversaries-in-faith were ANYONE BUT the people in his (or her) own
This alone denies that salvation "runs
in families" - but one might
think it did - to hear how things are described and reported by most professing
THE MAIN ISSUE here is regarding the
matter of how we
people to decide whether or not they deserve our special
Most people automatically - almost
tend to favor their carnal relatives over those persons with whom their
only connection is through professed faith. OF COURSE you
remember mom's birthday and buy her a gift - that falls under 5th
obligation - but throughout the year, we ought not to seek out mom for
"fellowship" more than we seek out some other person just
she IS "mom". It is common
(though not right or good) that
professing Christians will remember every birthday for every child in
their extended NATURAL family - and will buy that child a
gift. But it
occurs to them to know when the birthday will be for some child with
whom they are only connected by profession of faith.
The error is especially manifest in how MOST professing
Christians act towards their less-than-immediate family. They
along with and spend extra and special time or money on some uncle or
brother-in-law that they would refuse and judge as an infidel if they
were not "family". You have to put on a
show of interest and
affection in order to please your mother or your wife or your son or
I have a duty towards my wife and children - but still, I can
"prefer" their company for the same reasons I might like your company
that is, if you remind me of a successful
There is really no need to confuse what is strictly "duty" with what
you choose and prefer to do with your extra time and money.
THE FACT IS (I say) that every one of you that are in
with what Christ commanded us in Luke 14:26 almost immediately knows
that it's you and you also know with whom you are maintaining a carnal
Let me explain these carnal (fleshly) relationships to you: they
are the very same relationships that (relatively well behaved and
otherwise reliable) unsaved
They are the exact same relationships that unsaved husbands have with
unsaved wives, or that unsaved wives have with unsaved husbands. They
are the very same relationships that (otherwise decent) unsaved parents
have with their unsaved children. In the end - they are just
ordinary relationships that unsaved people have with each other.
In the 1930's the well known 'Christian author and martyr' Dietrich
Bonnhoeffer defined and described these ordinary carnal
relationships as "DIRECT RELATIONSHIPS". What he meant by
that, was a
human relationship that was NOT mediated through Christ and
'filter' of Bible teachings and ethics. These he
RELATIONSHIPS" because they were immediate personal relationships
person-to-person without any separate mediator or judge OR
relationships. (Bonhoeffer wrote of this in his famous book,
Of Discipleship"). When I read this book in the early 1980's
immediately knew exactly what he was describing - because it was only
with sincere effort and while enduring a distinct COST to me socially
and otherwise that I managed to AVOID these SINFUL 'direct
I do not say that I never indulge in
moments or incidents of such
direct relationships with anyone anymore - but that I will claim that
you would be very hard pressed to point out any evidence that I unrighteously
favor or pander to anyone in my carnal family (or anyone else, for that
matter) in any habitual way.
A TYPICAL EXAMPLE of people who reveal
their willingness to pursue
such direct relationships is in what I beheld among most of the young
adults around me that GOT MARRIED after they were (supposedly)
converted and after they had been a participating member of the social
life of The Church for some years before they were married.
these were spending Saturday with the unsaved relatives of
spouse's family - or even they were suddenly spending a lot more time
with their own mom or dad and their own married siblings.
they had a greater identification with other people by virtue of being
married than they had with their prior Brethren-through-shared religion.
COURSE, many of these unrighteous direct relationships were
excused and "explained" by claiming that "So and So are Christians,
too!" - when in fact, they would never have attached themselves to THAT
KIND of "Christian" before getting married gave them a new basis for
their perception of reality. Suddenly, they have grown
and "generous" (this is what they always claim) in their evaluation of
other people's profession and practice of faith. Suddenly
that there is no reason why they can't get along with that Roman
Catholic or Methodist or Baptist person, because (they will say)
"they claim Christ,
too!". They most certainly will not allow
their "new friend" to
suspect that their faith is being rejected and judged, and they will
express their "'sincere'
about these "new
relatives and friends" to all their prior (real)
Christian Friends. "I have to spend some time
with them to win
don't I?" (they
might say)......and, (they say) "I testify to my
faith to those relatives by my conduct"
(meaning that they will not SAY that certain thing that will offend or
arouse the ire of these "new friends").
Anyone who has actually come to Christ genuinely seeking for
salvation has agreed in
that initiatory moment to
everything and everyone that cannot be received in
agreement with Christ Jesus and the Bible. If you
have never actually
done this - maybe you can "get saved"
now...... So likewise,
whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot
be my disciple.
(Luke 14:33 KJV)......"ALL" means "all",
as in how we always normally define "all". Your carnal family
and the comforts and advantages you have from them are just part of
"the all" This is not something that
you can or should be
actively doing over and over again - as in selling all your possessions
every time you gain any, and giving them away again! It is
to try and "explain" these commandments into something ridiculous and
totally UN-obeyable, just as it is not right to contradict these
commandments by your "explanations".
am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an
alien unto my mother's children.
For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and
of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.
Could you say Psalm 68:8-9 about yourself? I mean -
that every person in your carnal family whose favor and support you
wish to keep is a TRUE born again CHILD OF GOD - and/or are
REALLY (you say) "such a good prospect for conversion" that you are
obliged to pay extra attention to them and fellowship with
we're not the final judges of anyone's soul, but this cry (about
"not judging"), is merely an attempt to escape
to the words of Christ. We KNOW that THAT
Roman Catholic or Mormon
COULD maybe GET saved someday sooner or later, but we (people on this
mailing list) do NOT normally pursue or maintain active and
participatory friendships with such persons.... or do
language that Christ used in respect to this matter seems to presume
that most Saints will have to realize that most of
relatives (or often all of them) are not saved and never
Be ye not unequally yoked together with
for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?
and what communion hath light with darkness?
And what concord hath Christ with Belial?
or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?
for ye are the temple of
the living God; as God hath said,
dwell in them, and walk in them;
and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate,
and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
will be a
Father unto you,
and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord
(2 Cor 6:14-18 KJV)
"right answer" for every question above is, "NONE".
"unequal yoke" is whatever ties the believer to the non-believer
(or the heretic or backslid person). What makes the YOKE unequal is
inequality of the persons.
questions (in 2 Corinthians 6:14-18)
are fair questions. What KIND
of fellowship is it that
a believer maintains with an unbeliever? BEING "yoked" means being tied
or connected by business agreements or living situations or social
commitment and habit. We are not to be "connected and
unbelievers in any voluntary
way..... and the
THREAT from God
is that IF YOU ARE so connected and intentionally obliged to
unbelievers, that God will NOT receive
you AS a son
daughter". Make of that whatever you can.... but
this is not
doctrine" - this is BIBLE DOCTRINE, and I have not shown you
scripture texts that speak to this matter. REMEMBER if you
to say that I am exaggerating this matter beyond anything that God ever
intended - that it was JESUS (your Bible) that said, HATE!
AND FINALLY, all
that you really have to do to obey Luke
a way that proves your sincerity is to never allow these
relationships to affect what you confess and describe as the necessary
way of life. If those relatives or that son or daughter know
believe (in agreement with "us") that (1) God forbids women
Tithing is not a NT doctrine and is lied about by those who teach it as
a NT doctrine (3) there is NO essential sin in using tobacco or alcohol
or any such thing.... and etc. OR THAT
abortion-on-demand amounts to
murder by a "choice"; or that the Bible definitely SAYS that The
Church Age ends in APOSTASY- if you will confess
those same true
doctrines and defend those doctrines persistently to all those natural
relatives, you will have passed the "Luke 14:26 test".
you instead come up with all sorts of different views and explanations
for those doctrines in order to avoid the conflict and to "make room"
for these natural relatives and carnal friends, well, you certainly are
not concerned about
THIS: How can ye
believe, which receive honour one of another,
and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
(John 5:44 KJV)
that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words,
hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall
judge him in the last day.
ARE YOU ASHAMED OF THE WORDS OF JESUS IN
LUKE 14:26 or
elsewhere? (YES?) or (NO?)
If anyone has any
questions related to this matter that
not answer already in a satisfactory way - then please tell me about
questions or concerns. I am also sure that some who see this
offended and contentious no matter how far I go in attempting to apply
these verses to our lives in a practical way. Nonetheless,
God will be
found true in the end, and all who conspired to disagree will be found
(Luke 14:26 KJV)
If any man come to me, and
hate not his
father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters,
yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
people that you have not volunteered to embrace because
your obligations and duties as a Christian should not be
any more of your time and money than you are OBLIGED to give to them by
law and morality. Your best "buddy" ought to be the best
know who will have you and can make time for you.... and if not, then
how do you choose your friends?
realized many years ago that this was going to be the
NUMBER ONE issue that would annoy me about (even) the people I wished
account as Friends - and it has proved surely true. This
CARNAL, FLESHLY, SELF-PRESERVING penchant even in (real) Christians, to
favor their fleshly family or their "old family friends" over those
they CALL "Saints" has been an endless source of conflict for me since
I was converted. I suspect that I am the first
person that ever
presented these matters to any of you. I have lost supposed
a plenty (and MONEY) over this very matter for years and years. I will
not retreat nor will I soften this message for any of you.
WHERE even the best among you may be compromised, worldly, and
unfaithful to your professed religion. If you "feel" that I
but you've got specific problems and issues with this matter that still
threaten frighten and corner you - I am glad to talk you through and
out of those problems IF YOU WANT TO OBEY THE TRUTH. If not -
realize that I have condemned and denounced you for a plain sin against
God, against The Church, and against the bible, and against me - for
resisting or compromising this Plain and oft repeated Bible truth.
What I am teaching you 'as
the oracles of God' here DOES NOT
that you sin in the least way against any of these carnal, fleshly
relatives and friends. If you insist on quibbling and dodging
and pretending that you do not know what I am speaking of - then you
are just LYING AGAINST THE TRUTH for the common, carnal, Godless
reasons that all the world insists that "blood is thicker than water".
WELL, I disagree COMPLETELY. Let's account the "water" here to be water
of Christian water-baptism, which supposedly declares one's entrance
into and loyalty to the Christian faith. In THAT CASE, water is
infinitely thicker than blood. To prefer and choose your
OR FRIENDS-BY-NATURAL CONNECTION OVER those you call Saints is
a sin, by which you wound The Church and for which you shall most
certainly be called to account by God. You should have
STANDARD by which to evaluate your choice of friends - and a
STANDARD through which you decide who is to be acknowledged
as a Real
Saint and who may be a 'Christian-in-name-only'. If your
uncle or dad
does not pass the same orthodoxy and faithfulness test that EVERY
ONE OF YOU REQUIRE THAT I (Dean) PASS, then you are a
many REAL Christians who are hypocrites in this particular way - so
neither does this mean that I am labeling you as not saved. But if you
show this unspiritual favoritism in MY SIGHT - I will call you out for
it - so be be forewarned - and if I do not see it and call you out for
it, GOD WILL, FOR SURE, and you will be guilty and sorry and YOU WILL
PAY for this selfish and carnal crime against The Saints. The whole
Bible is ON MY SIDE in this matter - and there is NO honest and fair
argument against what I have just described.
I realize this article is a
little more fierce and demanding than
most that I have sent to you - but this is because of my right and
correct anticipation of just how much nonsense and lies I am expecting
to be confronted with by those who disagree. I will not be
this doctrine - and I am the way I am in defense of God's Church and
all the Saints who are overpassed and ignored by their so-called
"Brethren", who despite their boast and claim to serious faith, live
and act just like all the "decent" UNBELIEVERS when it comes to this
matter. GOD(I say) is holding you accountable to MY
WORDS in this
matter. Be faithful to your faith, and take the risks and the
that faithfulness to this True Doctrine will cause you to live through.
Be a living blessing to The (Real) Saints, and do not leave them alone
or unsupported or without comfort because you are being worldly- wise
carnal as the common unbeliever in this matter.
(Mat 8:22 KJV) But
Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the
dead bury their dead.
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